Comments on: Wield commas like a Jedi Knight wields the Force https://writegroup.io/wield-the-power-of-commas-like-a-jedi-knight-wields-the-force/ Better business outcomes with clear, effective writing. Sun, 17 Nov 2024 21:24:37 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.7.1 By: Paul Veltman https://writegroup.io/wield-the-power-of-commas-like-a-jedi-knight-wields-the-force/#comment-355 Sat, 26 Dec 2015 10:49:06 +0000 http://writeclearlyblog.com/?p=2779#comment-355 Thanks Eleanor!
Yes, I agree. Thanks for giving this some thought.
Cheers,
Paul

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By: eleanor meecham https://writegroup.io/wield-the-power-of-commas-like-a-jedi-knight-wields-the-force/#comment-354 Mon, 21 Dec 2015 02:14:34 +0000 http://writeclearlyblog.com/?p=2779#comment-354 Someone emailed me with a great question about the comma in this piece of speech: ‘Help me, Obi-Wan Kenobi! You’re my only hope!’ He asked whether we need the comma between ‘Help me’ and ‘Obi-Wan Kenobi’.

It is correct to use a comma here, as we’re setting off the name of the person who’s being directly addressed. This isn’t the same as the situations described in point 2 of this blog post, where we’re talking about people, not to them.

Using commas to set off the name of the person being directly addressed can help to avoid confusion. A classic example is the difference between these two sentences:

‘Let’s eat, Grandpa!’ (Come on Grandpa! Dinner’s ready.)
‘Let’s eat Grandpa!’ (Let’s cook Grandpa and eat him for dinner.)

If you think the comma looks optional or unnecessary in this sort of situation, it’s probably because of email. The way we address people in email is generally less formal than in a letter. These days, we’re used to dropping the comma when we address people directly in emails. Strictly, the correct grammatical form is this: ‘Hi, Zelda’ (with a comma). But few people do this today. Mostly, we do this: ‘Hi Zelda’ (no comma). Just remember that what’s fine for email isn’t necessarily going to work in other contexts.

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By: Roger Meecham. https://writegroup.io/wield-the-power-of-commas-like-a-jedi-knight-wields-the-force/#comment-353 Thu, 17 Dec 2015 02:39:39 +0000 http://writeclearlyblog.com/?p=2779#comment-353 In reply to eleanor meecham.

I am trying, but I think it might be a bit late for a literary career for me, ha ha.

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By: eleanor meecham https://writegroup.io/wield-the-power-of-commas-like-a-jedi-knight-wields-the-force/#comment-352 Wed, 16 Dec 2015 22:38:34 +0000 http://writeclearlyblog.com/?p=2779#comment-352 In reply to Roger Meecham..

It’s never too late to learn!

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By: Roger Meecham. https://writegroup.io/wield-the-power-of-commas-like-a-jedi-knight-wields-the-force/#comment-351 Wed, 16 Dec 2015 22:35:32 +0000 http://writeclearlyblog.com/?p=2779#comment-351 I wish I’d been taught this at school, instead of putting a comma when you take a breath.

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By: eleanor meecham https://writegroup.io/wield-the-power-of-commas-like-a-jedi-knight-wields-the-force/#comment-350 Wed, 16 Dec 2015 20:22:49 +0000 http://writeclearlyblog.com/?p=2779#comment-350 In reply to Paul Veltman.

Thanks Paul. What an interesting comment!

Indeed, speak in anastrophes Yoda does. (For anyone who’s wondering, an anastrophe is the inversion of the usual order of words or clauses.)

Both of the clauses we’re talking about are anastrophes because the word order is reversed in each:

Powerful you have become. (Instead of, You have become powerful.)
The dark side I sense in you. (Instead of, I sense the dark side in you.)

As each is a ‘complete thought’ (independent clause) we could put either one first:

Powerful you have become. The dark side I sense in you.
The dark side I sense in you. Powerful you have become.

I would argue that to join them together in one grammatically correct sentence we’d need a semi colon, a dash, or a conjunction:

Powerful you have become; the dark side I sense in you.
Powerful you have become — the dark side I sense in you.
Powerful you have become, and the dark side I sense in you.

Of course, we’re kind of nitpicking here as there’s no one right way to transcribe direct speech. You have to do your best to punctuate it based on how it sounds.

Thanks for an interesting discussion. Love how Yoda talks I do.

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By: Paul Veltman https://writegroup.io/wield-the-power-of-commas-like-a-jedi-knight-wields-the-force/#comment-349 Wed, 16 Dec 2015 06:37:52 +0000 http://writeclearlyblog.com/?p=2779#comment-349 Nice article! It’s great to learn a new punctuation pattern, and now that I know how to use a comma for direct speech, I suddenly see them everywhere!

But, I was surprised to see how Yoda’s idiosyncratic syntax (possibly Star Wars’ greatest and most distinctive contribution to modern rhetoric) has been punctuated in the article.

A line like “Powerful you have become, the dark side I sense in you.” is an example of anastrophe – a rhetorical device used by writers such as Shakespeare, Yeats, and, more recently, by Tolkien (e.g. “In a hole in the ground there lived …”).

However, it is usually written as one sentence, not two, and using a conjunctive comma.

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By: Diana Burns https://writegroup.io/wield-the-power-of-commas-like-a-jedi-knight-wields-the-force/#comment-348 Wed, 16 Dec 2015 01:02:42 +0000 http://writeclearlyblog.com/?p=2779#comment-348 This is the best explanation of how to use commas I’ve ever seen. Bravo! (Though I’m not a Star Wars aficionada, so struggled with the cast of characters)

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